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 Post subject: Vhab drama
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:52 pm 
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Some of you may be aware of the current drama on the ao fourms so I thought I would set the record straight here.

First off, although Vhab would have you believe that this is all about the IRC_MODULE in Budabot, this has nothing to do with Budabot at all. This is is between Vhab and I and it has gone on for a while.

Second, Vhab would have you believe that there is a bug in the IRC_MODULE. There is not. The IRC_MODULE works flawlessly with the AO client. However, Vha.Chat was designed to work slightly differently than the client, and the IRC_MODULE does not support Vha.Chat's different behavior. This is only a problem in a few places. One of which is when you are relaying chat from guild channel into an IRC channel and you are using Vha.Chat. Instead of single quotes you will see some weird symbols. Another difference is that you can't configure some of the subcommands in Budabot using Vha.Chat. Yet another difference in Vha.Chat is that when using !raffle in Budabot Vha.Chat crashes. Vha.Chat also doesn't fully support user:// links which Budabot produces in certain places. I have reported all of those bugs in the Vha.Chat forums. Some of those posts are over a month old and still have not been fixed.

Hopefully you guys appreciate that I fix the bugs you report, often times the same day, instead wasting my time trolling someone else's project. :)

Lastly, Vhab would have you believe that I am refusing to make this change just to spite him. I care too much about this project and I have put too much time into it to release it with a known bug like that(even after being permanently banned from AO by Funcom). I assure you if it was a bug in Budabot I would have fixed it, just like I fix all the other bugs.

So I have a favor to ask all of you. If you use Budabot and you like it, please bump this thread: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/showth ... p?t=588492 That will help it get back on track after all the trolling and hopefully people will see that it is a good bot and they will want to try it out. Thanks :)

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 Post subject: Re: Vhab drama
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:30 am 
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I've posted my reply. Such a shame VHAB can't stop with Drama, I myself had some drama with him xmas 2009 / new years 2010 over a certain raidbot that I used to run.

|Even then he resorted to underhand tactics and made me and himself look bad :'( why can't we all just get along


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 Post subject: Re: Vhab drama
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:24 pm 
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I have little tolerance with elitist rude people. Despite Vhab's skill and contributions to the AO community, he usually comes off as a jerk. Makes me not respect him. Dunno why friendliness and politeness are so difficult for some people to grasp. Seems to me this whole drama would have gone a different direction if he had approached it in a different way/attitude.


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 Post subject: Re: Vhab drama
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:35 pm 
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Replying here at the risk of being moderated and having my post modified by Tyrence.
I'll hope he'll stay honorable and allow me to have my say.

This entire situation started by a bug report made by Tyrence himself.
As can be seen from this thread, I've made an attempt to reply respectfully and fully explained my reasoning.
That thread is one of many Tyrence made on the forum, and also the only feature request of his I denied.

Instead of a reasonable debate, it resulted in trolling from Teek and Tyrence, forcing me to close down the conversation.

I dropped the conversation until a "request for features" thread was made on the AO forums.
In this forum I requested a simple fix that would increase compatibility between budabot and Vha.Chat.
Unfortunately parts of this conversation has been completely removed by moderators.

However, a fact from that conversation is that Tyrence replied he was unable to apply the fix because "it breaks blob relaying".
However, Budabot never supported blob relaying, thus Tyrence's reasoning was invalid.
This went back and forth a bit, instead of serious replies, Tyrence mostly posted like this, this and this.
Take special note of the last one, where Tyrence claims he "bested" me. I was under the impression I was talking seriously about a feature request/fix, instead Tyrence assumed this to be something different.
So already, the situation was being mocked instead of replying with reasoning and respect.

Finally, later Tyrence gave the argument (through Teek) "he'd have to fix too many plugins".
After which I made the following offer and again here.
To these messages I didn't receive a reply for several weeks. My tone has become somewhat frustrated in these posts, but still they include my offer to help.
An offer that was being completely ignored by Tyrence. An offer apparently not even worth a reply.

As for the Budabot 2.0 thread, I didn't reply to that thread until Teek posted some misinformation.

Finally, weeks later Tyrence decided to contact me. However, his motivates were not to discuss a fix or resolution to the situation.
I'll leave the reader to reach conclusions on that, as the chat log is available here.


I've been repeatedly ignored, insulted and mocked.
Yet I still kept my offer to fix Budabot for Tyrence.

And what is Tyrence's reaction?
A post on this forum with a direct attack on my character using many irrelevant details.
The entire first post of this thread looks like an "I'm better than" thread.

Never once have I resorted to comparing my contributions/accomplishments, or implying I'm more dedicated to the community than Tyrence.
Yet Tyrence feels the need to make this comparison and turn this entire situation personal.

I don't regret any of my actions.
I will not stand for being called rude or disrespectful.
I've repeatedly read back my own posts, other than some frustration they've been respectful and directly focussed at my goal: resolving incompatibility between Vha.Chat and Budabot.



I really wonder, who here has little tolerance, acts rude and has an elitist behavior?
Wouldn't that be you Tyrence?
You who couldn't even be bothered to have a normal conversation with me without either mocking me or simply ignoring questions.


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